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internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 03/15/11 12:03AM

crossdress/crossdressing is just something we need to get around to Aliasing.

I'd prefer crossdress be aliased into crossdressing, it sounds better.

EDIT: "cbt" is apparently a shortened tag for "cock and ball torture". This tag should probably be made more straightforward.



Dolljoints - Group: Member - Total Posts: 113
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Posted on: 03/16/11 01:47AM

sockjob isn't equivalent to footjob + socks. The latter can apply if anyone in the picture is wearing socks, but it isn't actually a sockjob pic.

It's part of a hierarchy from general to specific, like "weapon, gun, rifle, M-16". All are appropriate on a picture containing an M-16.
People can search for the general tag or the specific as they please.

Likewise muscular_female isn't equivalent to muscle + female, and it isn't any more subjective than muscle. People removing it pisses me off, because I like muscular_female pics and blanking it looks like tag poisoning. I don't need to wade through pictures with a muscular guy and a female somewhere in them when there was a perfectly good tag.



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 03/16/11 01:57AM

Dolljoints said:
sockjob isn't equivalent to footjob + socks. The latter can apply if anyone in the picture is wearing socks, but it isn't actually a sockjob pic.


gelbooru.com/index.php?pa...s=footjob+socks&pid=0
Could've fooled me.

That's not to say there aren't images in there which don't fit your example, but it's such a small amount that I don't think it's enough to where "sockjob" warrants being used for footjobs.

Likewise muscular_female isn't equivalent to muscle + female, and it isn't any more subjective than muscle. People removing it pisses me off, because I like muscular_female pics and blanking it looks like tag poisoning. I don't need to wade through pictures with a muscular guy and a female somewhere in them when there was a perfectly good tag.


muscle + -male. The problem with that is the dipshits who don't tag things "male." The solution to that is gardening.

EDIT: For yuks, I looked up "Sockjob" on Danbooru. Their apparent use of it is a sock around the gentleman's sausage. Granted, there's only six examples on there, but that's completely different than how it's been used here, and, IMO, a better use of it.

They also had "socks_around_cocks" or some stupid tag on them.



th8827 - Group: Retired Staff - Total Posts: 1264
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Posted on: 03/16/11 02:19AM

EDIT: Never mind. I was looking at the wrong page...



Dolljoints - Group: Member - Total Posts: 113
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Posted on: 03/16/11 02:36AM

internetlovemachine said:

muscle + -male.


It still isn't equivalent...
muscular_female applies if and only if there is a muscular female in the picture. There may be males as well. Some people may be looking for those pictures.

With regard to sockjob, there may be more in the future.

There's only one picture tagged with pizza_ears. It applies.
I found the picture that way while searching for *_ears in the tag index.
Lucky for me, because I liked the picture.

None of these are subjective tags.



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 03/16/11 02:53AM

Muscular_Female particularly annoys me because everybody who has ever given me a reason for what it means has given a different reason. Images with a female with muscle in it, only for images of extremely muscled females, etc. I'm worried if we keep it that it would end up challenging oppai_loli on the top tier of bullshit tags.

And we got on fine without it before that akefur guy decide to mass-tag it again two or three times after I originally nuked it, and we'll be perfectly fine without it again. The alternative may not be 100% equivalent, but it's not completely broken either. footjob + socks if a good example of that.



Dolljoints - Group: Member - Total Posts: 113
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Posted on: 03/16/11 03:08AM

What I see is people who have no particular interest in a tag trying to come up with reasons to remove it.

muscular_female is no more ambiguous than muscle or large_breasts.

Meanwhile, I am going to go remove aki_minoriko because you can just as well search for touhou + grapes. If someone forgot to tag the pictures with grapes, it's not my problem.



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 03/16/11 03:14AM

Dolljoints said:
muscular_female is no more ambiguous than muscle or large_breasts.


Except large_breasts hasn't had an alternative, comparable tag combination that's been in existence much longer, and in an ideal site where more than a handful of people actually gave a fuck about tagging, would provide all the same results.

And nobody cares about the Akis. (e-except me ;_;)

I can't explain myself clearer right now, so I'd like to see another mod explain their opinion on it. From what I've seen, I'm not the only mod thinking it's redundant. I'll just say I don't think a character tag is in the same realm as this.

For what it's worth, I won't touch the tag again until a more official word chimes in.



Dolljoints - Group: Member - Total Posts: 113
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Posted on: 03/16/11 03:47AM

What I am thinking of here is kind of the limits of a flat list of tags.

If there is only one character in a picture, then golden_eyes, blue_hair, muscle, socks, futanari, etc. can only apply to them.

With complex scenes, the tags for all of the individual characters get mixed together.

One could try to solve this with a tagging system where a tag is a label on a container, which can contain other tags. So then,
girl glasses

would indicate that both are in the scene,
girl(glasses)

would specify that there is a girl with glasses in the scene, without requring a separate tag for the combination, and would still be picked up by searches for either girl or glasses.

In any case, with a system that doesn't support specifying attributes of other objects, if people have a fetish, they will likely invent a specific tag for it, to help their fellows easily find exactly what they are looking for, and keep adding it back in whenever necessary.

Unless one can come up with a very good case against a tag, it will just turn into a revert war.



internetlovemachine - Group: Fleet Admiral Cat - Total Posts: 3836
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Posted on: 03/16/11 03:59AM

I get where you're coming from, but I don't really think it's that much of an issue. In my experience, I've never had a problem with the tagging system not giving me the results I wanted when I knew I searched for the proper tags. If I do, I'll bring it up here and do my best to fix it. Maybe someone has had this issue, I'd like to hear from them.

Dolljoints said:
if people have a fetish, they will likely invent a specific tag for it, to help their fellows easily find exactly what they are looking for, and keep adding it back in whenever necessary.


And if it's a pet tag/redundant, we'll eventually warn then, ban them, whatever need be. We shouldn't have to just accept the fact people will do that and let them go on doing it.



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