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InvaderJim42 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 8
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The Futanari-Yuri Debate
Posted on: 08/12/08 03:17PM

I was pretty much indifferent to the whole thing until I saw about 20 copypasta'd posts saying something like "nice pic, futa isnt yuri, tag removed, I suck cocks," or something to that effect. Perhaps it's time to define the criteria for Yuri and Futa going together.

Now, of course, futanari is a GIRL that has a penis. Yuri is two GIRLS getting it on. Yuri is not a GIRL and a guy getting it on, or two guys getting it on. Guys have penises, but no breasts or vaginas. Futa (as far as I know) always have breasts and may or may not have a vagina. By this definition, a futa is a girl, who just happens to have a penis. Yuri, again being 2+ girls, is compatible with futa.

TL;DR: Yuri + Futanari = Possible.



lozertuser - Group: The Fake Administrator - Total Posts: 2235
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Posted on: 08/12/08 06:23PM

Imagine that you are girl. Now, pretend you also have a penis the size of Sears Tower. Are you a female anymore? I believe it's the organs we have down below that defines what we are, be it male, female, or both. A catch-all tag for situations like you see could be futanari_yuri. It's, in my opinion, the easiest way to avoid conflicts yet still describe the content of the image. The yuri tag is too broad as it is so we might need to adopt this tag just for people looking for a picture of a girl with a penis having sex with another girl with a penis.



lilmetal - Group: Member - Total Posts: 1
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Posted on: 08/14/08 12:19AM

lozertuser said:
Imagine that you are girl. Now, pretend you also have a penis the size of Sears Tower. Are you a female anymore?


I say if it can give birth, it's a female.
A dude that has a sex change to a female can't give birth, so he's still a guy.



lozertuser - Group: The Fake Administrator - Total Posts: 2235
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Posted on: 08/14/08 05:48AM

lilmetal said:
I say if it can give birth, it's a female.
A dude that has a sex change to a female can't give birth, so he's still a guy.


But what about Clark Kent's Mom? She couldn't give birth. Does that mean she is a man? Also, a man was given a sex change and played tennis in the womens tournament. He won and people were mad and took him to court. The government ruled he was female after the operation.

Or, are you saying, if there was no possible way for them to ever give birth they are a guy? If so, how do we know they can't give birth? We can't just ask them. :\

We could just remove yuri altogether from this type of picture and use a crude dickgirls (futanarii?) tag for two or more girls messing with each other that have penises and futanari for just one.

*Edit* After further research, futanari is both singular and plural.



Rose - Group: Member - Total Posts: 2
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Posted on: 08/14/08 06:04AM

I don't think so. Futa is more shemale than anything.



InvaderJim42 - Group: Member - Total Posts: 8
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Posted on: 08/15/08 07:30PM

I'm satisfied with the 'futanari_yuri' tag. Hybrid tags help solve things such as this. I'm still hesitant/confused to classify genders based on genitalia, though, considering the existence of such people with AIS (Androgen insensitivity syndrome), a curious syndrome where to all outward appearances the person is female, yet is actually a chromosomal male (XY) and has internal testicles rather than ovaries. Sadako Yamamura from Ringu is a fictional example of one such person, yet for all intents and purposes she's classified as female despite being genetically male.



Ferryt - Group: Member - Total Posts: 127
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Posted on: 04/12/09 05:36PM

Here's my take, for what it's worth.

There are boys with boobs and chicks with dicks. Both have breasts, so that part of the issue isn't relevant. It's what's below the waist that counts, and I don't think a lot of people take the effort to understand the differences, there.

The traditional wisdom, if there is such a thing, about futanari is that a futa is a female who happens to have a penis. That means she has a vagina, whether she has testicles or not (and you see them depicted both ways). Without going into the obvious anatomical impossibility of a vaginal opening through the visible base of the penis, it makes sense, then, that "futanari" indicates a hermaphrodite (futa with testicles) or masculinized woman (futa without testicles). If there is no vaginal opening then you have a she-male -- a guy who has had physical and/or hormonal modification to create/grow breasts. Again, in the Real World, some she-males have testicles and some actually get snipped, but the bottom line is that the presence of a vagina makes the person a "futa", and no vagina makes that person a she-male.

The problem is that you can't always tell from a picture what the case is, and it would be up to someone with more in-depth knowledge of the particular character to correct an erroneous tag.



hentaiprovisions - Group: Moderator - Total Posts: 142
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Posted on: 04/14/09 01:27AM

Since this thread apparently got revived I'll guess I'll comment on it.

I find it interesting that some people's definition of "futanari" is a "woman who has a penis". The definition actually applies to both "hermaphrodite" and "shemale"
( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari ). That means for the most part a "futanari" is both genders and yet neither; a futanari is not a woman. At the same time, yuri refers to "lesbianism" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_(term) ).

Part of the problem is see is the most common form of "futanari" is "futanarikko" which means "girl futanari" or "effeminate hermaphrodite".

I can understand where the confusion comes from but I believe it stops being yuri when one of the chicks has a male member then she isn't really a woman but a "herm". Of course large clits only still would fall under yuri as the person is still a woman.

And I do find it annoying when I'm looking through something "futa" to find that some of the pictures are crossdressing shota. Granted some people wouldn't know without knowing the character's or the artist's background.

Also I have come across porn with masculine hermaphrodites; they are not my taste. And in that case they would ALSO be considered futanari.



depean - Group: Member - Total Posts: 81
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Posted on: 04/20/09 12:20PM

My opinion on this topic:
I think that the new tag, like 'futanari_yuri' is unnecessary. (*)
I propose to assume futanari and other not-clearly-male humanoid creatures as 'girls' for the purpose of head-count and then use tags like 2girls, 3girls, ets. for their number, and tags like sex, masturbation, ets. for what they do. Tag 'yuri' i would suggest using only on pure girl couples, but that's not really important, imho, because:

Those who don't want to see futanari in their search results might use '-futanari' in their query

Those who want to see several dickgirls engaged in sexual activities might use 'futanari'+'Xgirls' tags + 'sex' or other action-specific tags. There will be mix of futa/normal girls but i don't think that would be a problem.

(*) However if anyone by any reason would want to find images of futas having sex ONLY with other futas and not with regular girls.. well, then this tag might have sense



Ferryt - Group: Member - Total Posts: 127
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Posted on: 04/21/09 10:08PM

I don't like the idea of using "yuri" to represent futa. That's not its traditional (or intuitive) meaning. If you want a tag to represent futa-on-futa, then maybe something like ... erm ... "futa-on-futa" would be better. Or maybe "futaxfuta" would work, as well.



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